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Old 11-14-2008, 08:23 AM   #11
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Back to Marc's question about leaving a AGM battery outside all winter. I live in the Sierras, and although the TM is kept in the garage, the garage frequently gets below 20 degrees during the winter, and rarely above freezing. Last winter I took the battery out (so I could keep an eye on it throughout the winter) and just left it on the workbench in the garage. I had a fully charged Lifeline battery in October (last year) and it was still fully charged this spring (13+ volts). I did nothing, but put a meter on it to check its status from time to time.
Because of that this winter I left it in the TM, disconnected of course. These batteries are incredible. I HATED having to fool around with charging and water constantly in my previous battery. The only drawback, as mentioned, they are VERY expensive.

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Old 11-14-2008, 08:39 AM   #12
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Carefree is worth $$ to me, so I can live with that.

Lifeline vs. Optima: I'm gathering that many prefer Lifeline? Higher capacity for the size seems to be the mantra, agree or disagree?

I was planning on having some kind of master cut-off switch installed, either simple on-off, or something more complex like a marine 4-way, although I'm not certain the batt 1/batt 2 sides would ever be used unless I thought one of the batteries were bad...and how often does that happen?

Good to know about fully charging and then disconnecting = no freeze. That makes me feel better.

I find it interesting that Lifeline does not recommend deep discharge below 40-50%, whereas Optima seems to almost encourage it (at least, doesn't discourage it). Is it a technology difference between the batteries, or just one company being more 'up front' than the other concerning lifetime vs. usage, even if the effects are less pronounced in AGM than flooded batteries? If it is a tech difference, then the Optima batteries would potentially have an equivalent or longer life, as the rated AH could be used completely, rather than to ~50% or so.

Or is this just a matter of marketing-speak?

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Old 11-14-2008, 09:34 AM   #13
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Not all AGMs are deep cycle. FWIW, I think that you need to do a bit more research from a site that is not trying to sell you their battery. In other words, get some unbiased input. There are sites such as www.batteryfaq.org that are good but perhaps somewhat dated. I like www.windsun.com. They are a solar power website and store, and they have great technical tutorials to educate potential customers. They do indeed want to sell you batteries (and solar panels and controllers and chargers and cables ...), but they carry all types of batteries, and they want to sell you the right type - and that means educating you so you can choose the right type. Their long-term goal is to make sure they sell you a battery that meets your specific needs, so you will be happy and come back to them.

As for winter storage, any lead-acid battery, whether flooded, AGM, gel, or whatever, loves cold. The colder it is, the less self-discharge there is, and self-discharge is what you care about. I've told this story before, but I'll tell it again. I have a 1998 Ford Ranger that lives at my home in Maine. When we leave for Arizona in November, I put the Ranger in the garage and disconnect the battery. It sits there all winter, undisturbed, in temps from zero to 20 below. When we come back in May, I reconnect the battery, and it has never failed to start the engine on the first crank. By the way, this is the OEM battery, now 10 years old! So the important thing about winter storage is charge it, disconnect it, and leave it alone. No matter what kind of battery you have, this is the right procedure.

By contrast, I leave a car in Arizona in the summer, and I treat it the same way. But summer temps in Arizona routinely run 100-115 degrees. And batteries out here routinely last two years. Heat kills, cold preserves.

As far as the "box of toddler death". I hope you don't base a purchase decision on such hyperbole. In order to get in trouble, a toddler would have to set up the TM, unlock the battery compartment (batteries are locked in an outside compartment in a 2720SL), disconnect the battery cables, reach in at a highly awkward angle, lift a 60-pound battery straight up, and carry it outside. I have trouble doing it myself, and I'm no toddler. Just my thought ...

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Old 11-14-2008, 02:42 PM   #14
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As far as the "box of toddler death". I hope you don't base a purchase decision on such hyperbole. In order to get in trouble, a toddler would have to set up the TM, unlock the battery compartment (batteries are locked in an outside compartment in a 2720SL), disconnect the battery cables, reach in at a highly awkward angle, lift a 60-pound battery straight up, and carry it outside. I have trouble doing it myself, and I'm no toddler. Just my thought ...
Thanks for the info, I'll check out those sites. And the experiences you and others share is why I am glad to be becoming a member of the community.

As to "Toddler Death"...no, I don't believe it, I'm prone to hyperbole myself (made that one up, I did ). But, I was more specifically referring to bringing the batteries into the garage and leaving them hooked up to a battery tender, as suggested previously. I don't think even my toddlers would mess with a battery snugly locked inside a trailer...but if it's sitting out in the garage? Anything's possible, then...

Sounds like that won't be an issue, regardless. Thanks!

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Old 12-02-2008, 08:19 PM   #15
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I heard Optima had been sold and the quality has gone down quite a bit on their units. I have an old Optima in my offroad truck and it's going strong so I can't say first hand.

I've pondered switching too but even the D31 Optima is only 75ah so I'd need three of them to match my two 6V 230ah golf cart units. That would mean adding about 50lb extra weight.

I just throw the battery breaker and leave the TM sitting for months without problems.
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