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Old Today, 12:19 AM   #11
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Air bags don’t fix the problems of too much tongue weight, they just mask them.
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Most car manufacturers won't cover damage if a vehicle limits are exceeded.

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The airbags will lift the rear of the vehicle so it isn't squatting. You still have to stay within the vehicles weight limits. There really is nothing you can do to increase that limit other than getting a different tow vehicle. My truck 1/2 ton truck squats a little so I use airbags. The TrailManor is well below my capacity too.
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But airbags don’t put weight back on the front wheels for steering and braking traction.
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Most car manufacturers won't cover damage if a vehicle limits are exceeded.

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Who is talking about exceeding the tow vehicles’ weight limit? The 2417 and 2518 are well within towing specifications.Even the 2619 is within, albeit on the limit which is why I’m leaning lighter.
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But airbags don’t put weight back on the front wheels for steering and braking traction.
But some vehicles can't use a weight distribution hitch to do that. The air bags are better than having a squatting tow vehicle that will drag at every incline. If the tongue weight is within the limits, the front end will be just fine. The manufacturer of the vehicle knows how much weight is safe. Plus, ther is no danger of folding up the frame of the trailer with air bags.
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Dan, I've got to jump in with Shane. Air bags do only one thing - they raise the rear end of the tow vehicle to alleviate squat. But squat is only a symptom of a problem, and if you solve squat, you haven't solved the problem.

As you point out, the vehicle manufacturer knows what his vehicle can handle, and tongue weight is one of the specs that must be honored. The spec usually comes from the component capability of the vehicle's rear suspension - wheel bearings, shocks, wheels, etc. Air bags and helper springs don't change the capability of any of those. But as the name implies, a "weight distributing hitch" distributes some of the hitch weight away from the rear suspension, and forward onto the front axle of the vehicle and rearward onto the TM axle. Depending on the specific hitch and its adjustment, a couple hundred pounds can be removed from the hitch and placed on those other locations. When that happens, the front of the tow vehicle is more heavily loaded, so it sinks a bit on its suspension. And the rear end of the tow vehicle is able to rise a bit because of the reduced load. The effect is to bring the tow vehicle back toward level. AS A SIDE EFFECT, this reduces squat. But the primary effect is to reduce the hitch weight carried by the rear suspension.

Ads for helper springs or air bags promise to reduce squat, and they do that. Don't misinterpret those ads. They don't reduce rear suspension load, which is the real goal. Weight distributing hitches are more expensive than air bags for a reason. They are more complex (though much easier to install) than bags or springs.

You might take a look at the tutorials on the subject in the TM Technical Library at
https://www.trailmanorowners.com/for...ead.php?t=2616
https://www.trailmanorowners.com/for...ead.php?t=2922
https://www.trailmanorowners.com/for...ad.php?t=21037

Or search the internet for articles on "how weight distributing hitches work", rather than "eliminating tow vehicle squat".

As I noted in my first post, some vehicles can't use a WDH, often for reasons related to lack of a real frame. If your vehicle can't use a WDH, that's unfortunate, since there is no other realistic way to reduce the trailer's tongue weight. But that is not the real issue that a WDH addresses, so please don't mis-state the function of a WDH. You must obey the mfr's specs including the actual tongue weight - even if you use bags to cure squat.

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