How much does the 2619 really weigh?

05-07-2010, 08:03 AM

I am looking at buying the 2619 and towing it with a 2011 Honda Pilot 4WD. The tow rating is 4500lbs with a 450lb tongue limit. The Pilot has a 109" wheel base. I want to be well within the numbers and keep my small family safe.

Since TrailManor won't give real weights (especially tongue) can someone tell me what the 2619 weighs with the following:

2619
A/C
Awning
Full Propane
Batteries

We only camp where there is power and water so we will tow with the gray, black and fresh water tanks empty.

I can measure my "stuff" myself but really need to know what the tongue weight of the 2619 is with the above options.

If I missed a link to real weights on the TrailManor website please direct me to it.

**Bill** · 05-07-2010, 08:56 AM

Well, let's start with one thing. Trailmanor does give "real weight" of the trailer. It is called dry weight, and it is the real weight of the TM before the owner adds stuff, including factory options. At the Trailmanor.com website, click "Showroom", then "Specifications" - the dry weight is listed for every model of folding trailer.

Trailmanor does not list the weight of factory options, but you can look them up. Without looking them up, I would guess that the air conditioner weighs 60 pounds, the awning weighs 30 pounds, a battery weighs 25 pounds, and propane weighs 25 pounds (5 pounds per gallon or so). Total about 150 pounds.

What TrailManor can't list, and can't control, is the stuff that the owner adds. The TM web site suggests that you should add 500 to 1000 pounds to the dry weight to obtain a ready-to-camp weight, and as you can see, the factory options are a relatively small part of this. You can figure that the tongue weight is 13-14% of the total towed weight.

I hope this helps. I'm not entirely sure what you expect TM to publish as a "real weight". Your concern with weight is commendable, but most of the gap between dry weight and towed weight is under your control, not TM's.

Bill

05-07-2010, 09:12 AM

Thanks my biggest issue is with the tongue weight. Before spending $30,000 dollars I want to be sure how much the tongue weight will increase. With three people and gear my Pilot tongue weight limit drops to 400lbs. Do you think I will be below this with 500lbs worth of gear loaded in the TM?

Dumb question but I am a newbie in the prospective owner thread so hopefully dumb questions can be tollerated here somewhat. Can we load that 500lbs of cargo more towards the rear of the TM and reduce the tongue weight some? I am not concerned with the trailer weight I am well within limits on that.

Thanks for the measurements I will do some research on the weight of full propane tanks. That worries me as those sit right near the hitch.

I realize TM can't guess at what I carry but they should spec tongue weight with wet weights and all options. It wouldn't be that hard and it would make for a safer experience.

As it stands I think I am borderline with my tongue weight. In my opinon there is no way a vehicle that only has a 350/3500 towing capability can safely tow these trailers. Yet they clearly advertise them doing it. Nobody tows a dry trailer.

**mjlaupp** · 05-07-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rcase13

In my opinon there is no way a vehicle that only has a 350/3500 towing capability can safely tow these trailers. Yet they clearly advertise them doing it. Nobody tows a dry trailer.

Yes, but you can tow a dry trailer and therein lies the loophole!

Mike

07-31-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

Well, let's start with one thing. Trailmanor does give "real weight" of the trailer. It is called dry weight, and it is the real weight of the TM before the owner adds stuff. At the Trailmanor.com website, click "Showroom", then "Specifications" - the dry weight is listed for every model of folding trailer.

Trailmanor does not list the weight of factory options, but you can look them up. Without looking them up, I would guess that the air conditioner weighs 60 pounds, the awning weighs 30 pounds, a battery weighs 25 pounds, propane weighs 25 pounds (5 pounds per gallon or so), and the awning weighs 25 pounds. Total about 175 pounds.

What TrailManor can't list, and can't control, is the stuff that the owner adds. The TM web site suggests that you should add 500 to 1000 pounds to the dry weight to obtain a ready-to-camp weight, and as you can see, the factory options are a relatively small part of this. You can figure that the tongue weight is 13-14% of the total towed weight.

I hope this helps. I'm not entirely sure what you expect TM to publish as a "real weight". Your concern with weight is commendable, but most of the gap between dry weight and towed weight is under your control, not TM's.

Bill

Hi,

I really appreciate all the wisdom being shared in this forum. It really helps those of us who are rookies. I am considering buying a 2619 and I get worried when I read all the stuff about weight. The info that one of you provided (thanks) listed the following: dry weight is 2673 lbs; the load capacity is 1350 lbs; both added together gives the gross trailer weight of 4023 lbs. It also lists 3672 lbs. as the axle weight which I couldn't find before. Doesn't this mean that if I load the TM to capacity of 4023, I would exceed the rating of the axle? Isn't that dangerous? Or am I just confused? What weight would you recommend as the max.(loaded, traveling weight)? By the way, I do plan on adding the awning, AC, TV/DVD on a hanging mount, and the TV antenna which totals about 200 pounds. I know I also have to add a battery which I assume weighs about 60 pounds. So I will be at about 2900 pounds before adding any items. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I am thinking of a Honda Pilot that tows 4500 pounds with a class 3 trailer hitch. The tongue rating of this Pilot is 450 pounds and the listed number for the TM 2619 is 351. Do I have to add more numbers to the 351 to get the real number of the TM being towed (I assume I add the 2 20# propane tanks =40 pounds but is that all I add?). Just not sure what to do or whether to get an SUV that tows 3500 pounds (TM implies this is fine for almost all of its models). Whew--this is confusing.

Sorry for so many questions, but I prefer to ask owner's rather than dealers. I would appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks.

Have a wonderful day, K. Paris

**wbmiller3** · 07-31-2010, 09:17 PM

This post has my measured weights for our 2619: http://www.trailmanorowners.com/foru...34&postcount=9

**ShrimpBurrito** · 07-31-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KParis

he info that one of you provided (thanks) listed the following: dry weight is 2673 lbs; the load capacity is 1350 lbs; both added together gives the gross trailer weight of 4023 lbs. It also lists 3672 lbs. as the axle weight which I couldn't find before. Doesn't this mean that if I load the TM to capacity of 4023, I would exceed the rating of the axle?

Probably not. Presuming you have a typical tongue weight of 600 lbs, the weight on the axle would be no more than 4023 - 600 = 3423 lbs. And it would actually be a bit less than that because the weight of the tires, rims, and the axle itself is not supported by the axle, and so the weight of all those components (maybe 200 lbs?) can be subtracted further.

Dave

08-01-2010, 07:15 AM

Be really careful with Trailmanor's numbers.

Trailmanors tend to have high tongue weights because they place the trailer axle further back on the trailer frame than most other trailers. This makes them very stable, but puts more weight on the tow vehicle (it's rear axle in particular).

You can use a weight distributing hitch to move some of that weight back to the trailer axle (if it's not overloaded already) and some forward to the TV's front axle. This will further improve handling.

If the tongue weight is 600# (I would be really surprised if it's anywhere as low as 351#), you should be able to move 150-200# back to the trailer axle with a WDH. That would meet your 450# hitch rating.

But would you still exceed the TV's GVWR or the front axle's weight rating (as the WDH moves weight from the rear to the front axle) ?

Some of us have found that a TV's tow rating (4500# in your case) is not the problem. Rather it is the trailer's high tongue weight, even with a WDH, which causes us to exceed the TV's GVWR and axle ratings.

Take the payload (GVWR minus empty "Curb weight") of your Pilot, and subtract the expected passenger, gas and your "misc. stuff" weights. Compare what's left with the expected tongue weight ...

On our last trip, we exceeded our Tacoma's GVWR by a couple of hundred pounds. As a result, I'm very cautious about braking as I think that is the weak link.

08-01-2010, 07:57 AM

^^ I am not sure I would post that last sentence in a public forum. IMO.

**mjlaupp** · 05-07-2010, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rcase13

If I missed a link to real weights on the TrailManor website please direct me to it.

There are no "real weights" on the TM website other than some dry out the door weights for the Elkmonts. If you can get to a TM dealer, you should find the dry weight of this TM with factory options and liquid adders posted on the inside of the cabinet doors under the sink.

Mike