Actual weight of my TM

[Bill]

One of our members wanted to put together a TM weight page. The idea was to collect some real-world scale-weighed weights, of TMs fully loaded for camping and ready to go. Part of each entry would be the TM model number, part would be a list of factory and aftermarket options on each TM, and part would be an assessment or summary of what personal stuff is included. The hope was to get us past the eternal confusion about dry weight, and the endless guessing about how much the food and water, etc, weighs.

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill

One of our members wanted to put together a TM weight page. The idea was to collect some real-world scale-weighed weights, of TMs fully loaded for camping and ready to go. Part of each entry would be the TM model number, part would be a list of factory and aftermarket options on each TM, and part would be an assessment or summary of what personal stuff is included. The hope was to get us past the eternal confusion about dry weight, and the endless guessing about how much the food and water, etc, weighs.

I think this is a great idea. I would possibly include two columns...one for "empty/stored" and one for "loaded", with basic summary of load, as you suggest.
I think most owners will initially have "loaded" weights, but I would have the option to add the "empty/stored" weight when/if they get it. Personally, I would be very interested in the "empty/stored" weights just to have some solid numbers to compare to TM's published weights (what everyone seems to go by).
Since everyone camps differently, which in turn means everyone packs differently, the "empty" weight seems to be the more reliable platform to build from.
The combination of these two numbers should help the "3500 lb" members make more of a educated and safer decision.

[mjlaupp]

Originally Posted by ED-n-KEL

.... Personally, I would be very interested in the "empty/stored" weights just to have some solid numbers to compare to TM's published weights (what everyone seems to go by). ...

There is another weight published for each of the newer TMs. Look at the inside of the sink cabinet door. You will find a "wet weight" for your unit.

Mike

Originally Posted by mjlaupp

There is another weight published for each of the newer TMs. Look at the inside of the sink cabinet door. You will find a "wet weight" for your unit.

Mike

My 2008 Has That...

Just for Reference....

I Have A 2720 Options Are Ac, Awning, Stove & Sink Hanging Cabinets, Swing Hitch, 40 Gal Water Tank, Amplified Tv Antenna, 17" Lcd Tv Screen As The Major Options.

The Sticker Shows The Following

GVWR - 4166 Lbs - Total Weight Allowed
UVW - 3095 Lbs - I'm Guessing That's With Options - But Dry Weight
Water - 332 Lbs - I Have A 40 Gallon Tank @ 8.3 Lbs / Gal.
LP - 45 Lbs - 2 20 Lb Tanks (10 Gallon) @ 4.5 Lbs / Gal.

This Should Leave Me With 694 Lbs Carring Capacity At Maximum Load


So The Dry Weight On The Trailmanor Site Listed At 2742 Lbs For A 2720 If You Are Adding Any Options You Are Probably At The 3000 LB Range Pretty Easy

[ZekenSpider]

Originally Posted by gocntry

My 2008 Has That...

Just for Reference....

I Have A 2720 Options Are Ac, Awning, Stove & Sink Hanging Cabinets, Swing Hitch, 40 Gal Water Tank, Amplified Tv Antenna, 17" Lcd Tv Screen As The Major Options.

The Sticker Shows The Following

GVWR - 4166 Lbs - Total Weight Allowed
UVW - 3095 Lbs - I'm Guessing That's With Options - But Dry Weight
Water - 332 Lbs - I Have A 40 Gallon Tank @ 8.3 Lbs / Gal.
LP - 45 Lbs - 2 20 Lb Tanks (10 Gallon) @ 4.5 Lbs / Gal.

This Should Leave Me With 694 Lbs Carring Capacity At Maximum Load


So The Dry Weight On The Trailmanor Site Listed At 2742 Lbs For A 2720 If You Are Adding Any Options You Are Probably At The 3000 LB Range Pretty Easy

As Bill indicated, I might jump into this thread. I confess that I have been working on a way to gather and summarize the Real World weight information. I too have noticed the "internal" weight sticker information posted on my 2010 3326K. My stickers (inside and outside) clearly give the actual (maybe calculated) weight of my TM when it was shipped (Base Weight + combined weight of all ordered options). This is still a "Dry Weight" but clearly shows that options markedly subtract from the carrying capacity of the TM. Never-the-less, it is the "official" placard and gives the manufacturer's certified weight limits for that specific TM Model and Serial Number.

Of specific interest to me as I looked at my placard, was the knowledge that the Gross Trailer Weight for my 3326K remained identical to the advertised GTW even though TM increased the wheel size from 14" to 15". Apparently, the load carrying capacity of the tires or axles were not the limiting factor. I'm am definitely interested in the data "wmtire" is putting together.

What all of this tells me is: the sales brochure Base Weight really has little use to members trying to figure out what they can tow and it just makes the summary sheet larger. It does suggest, however, that most people will find their actual weight will come close to the GTW as stated in the brochure.

You will see this problem on the attached .pdf of the Excel spread sheet that I have together so far. The actual weights have come from reading information posted by the members that I have identified. The Base Weights have come from the TM 2010 web pages. I have also tried to identify some of the earlier TM models that are in circulation or may be still around.

The progress on this project is slow since neither Bill nor I know exactly how to get the actual weight data (other than maybe it will be contributed as a result of these posts) and how to limit the displayed data. The Base Weight information really has no bearing on the Real World Weight since almost every TM has options installed. The recent posts by "gocntry" and "mjlaupp" are good information and the post by "ED-n-KEL" suggest a summary structure that may work.

Once it is gathered, Bill could make it available in some prominent place on the site. I will continue to update it as new information is gathered.

Another difficulty is gathering all of the replies to this request in one place. Perhaps this thread will continue on just this subject for a while but more likely it will take a turn to another subject and be difficult to find using the site search engine.

I have titled this post "Actual Weight of My TM" to see if that can narrow the search. Another method could be the use of the PM tool.

I'm open to all suggestions.

Thanks,

Jerry

Jerry - very good information. Maybe more folks will contribute actual weights of their trailer so you can add to it.

If you want, add the following comments to my note - weight included two 6v batteries, full propane tanks, but empty water tanks and toilet. Also, I think the dry weight in 2003 was less than it is now. I think I have a brochure from 2003 so I'll check when I am home and if so will post here.

Thanks for putting this together!

Alan

Originally Posted by gocntry

My 2008 Has That...

Just for Reference....

I Have A 2720 Options Are Ac, Awning, Stove & Sink Hanging Cabinets, Swing Hitch, 40 Gal Water Tank, Amplified Tv Antenna, 17" Lcd Tv Screen As The Major Options.

The Sticker Shows The Following

GVWR - 4166 Lbs - Total Weight Allowed
UVW - 3095 Lbs - I'm Guessing That's With Options - But Dry Weight
Water - 332 Lbs - I Have A 40 Gallon Tank @ 8.3 Lbs / Gal.
LP - 45 Lbs - 2 20 Lb Tanks (10 Gallon) @ 4.5 Lbs / Gal.

This Should Leave Me With 694 Lbs Carring Capacity At Maximum Load


So The Dry Weight On The Trailmanor Site Listed At 2742 Lbs For A 2720 If You Are Adding Any Options You Are Probably At The 3000 LB Range Pretty Easy

My 2006 2720SL also has such a sticker:

Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC)
GVWR - ............................4217
MINUS UVW - ....................3165 (with factory options)
MINUS Fresh Water, 26 gals - 216
MINUS Propane - ...................40
CCC for this trailer -...............796

It's actually a little less than this, since the dealer installed an additional battery and a swing hitch. From the factory I had A/C and an awning, along with the cabinet over the sink, TV antenna, and perhaps some other options I can't recall. So it's around 3200 lbs prior to putting clothes, food, bedding, toiletries, etc. in.

So although I've not actually weighed it, it's likely 4,000 lbs or a tad over when I'm enroute.

[ZekenSpider]

Originally Posted by lnussbau

My 2006 2720SL also has such a sticker:

Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC)
GVWR - ............................4217
MINUS UVW - ....................3165 (with factory options)
MINUS Fresh Water, 26 gals - 216
MINUS Propane - ...................40
CCC for this trailer -...............796

It's actually a little less than this, since the dealer installed an additional battery and a swing hitch. From the factory I had A/C and an awning, along with the cabinet over the sink, TV antenna, and perhaps some other options I can't recall. So it's around 3200 lbs prior to putting clothes, food, bedding, toiletries, etc. in.

So although I've not actually weighed it, it's likely 4,000 lbs or a tad over when I'm enroute.

Larry; Thanks for your input.

Here's a new wrinkle that I'm working on with Dexter Axle and hope to include in the Actual Weight table. Dexter insists that a 3,500# axle can never have a rating over 3,500#. My 2010 3326 has two axles, each one rated at 3,640# and "gocntry" has 2008 2720 with one axle rated at 3,640#.

These two TM GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) stickers have raised the question that some of the (maybe recent) TM's may have 4,400# axles.

Is your GAWR sticker still legible? If so, what does it say?

Dexter Axle is waiting for me to submit my axle serial numbers to verify the type that I have. I'm wondering when and if TM upsized the axle design. The 3,500# axle design can range from 2,300# to 3,500# GAWR, depending on hubs, wheels, tires, brakes and etc., but never exceed it. The next size up from Dexter is a 4,400# design.

Thanks for you help,

Jerry

[ZekenSpider]

Originally Posted by mjlaupp

There is another weight published for each of the newer TMs. Look at the inside of the sink cabinet door. You will find a "wet weight" for your unit.

Mike

Mike;

I know that the sink cabinet door "wet weight" sticker is in my 2010 3326 and it appears to be in the 2008 2720 that "gocnty" has. Is it also in your 2005 3326K?

I'm wondering when TM started placing that sticker inside the sink cabinet door.

There is also a "Tire and Loading Information" sticker on the road side of my TM that says "The weight of cargo should never exceed 971# or 441 kgs. That's the exact same number that is the CCC listed on my sink cabinet door sticker.

As "gocnty" indicated, the sink cabinet door sticker contains:

1) The designed GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating).

2) The UVW (Usable Vehicle Weight) which they get after subtracting from the GVWR all of the optional equipment weights as ordered for that specific TM.

3) Finally after subtracting the propane and drinking water (ie 40# propane for two full tanks and 216# for a full 20 gallon water tank) they list the CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity). That is what's left available for the campers personal stuff, a charged toilet, greywater and maybe full water heater.

I'd like to get as much of that information as I can for the "Actual Weight " project. The GVWR is available from TM but the CCC is variable depending on options ordered and/or added.

Bottom line is, no one should exceed GVWR and I'm betting most everyone is running very close to it.

My GVWR is 5070# and with all my gear I have to run dry (except for propane) to stay at 5050#......and we haven't talked about the GCVWR as yet.

Jerry

[commodor47]

Originally Posted by ZekenSpider

. . . I'm wondering when TM started placing that sticker inside the sink cabinet door. . .

I'd like to get as much of that information as I can for the "Actual Weight " project. The GVWR is available from TM but the CCC is variable depending on options ordered and/or added.

I have a similar tag inside the sink cabinet door of our 2003 2720 SL:

GVWR 4075 #
UVW 2830 #
20 gal fresh water tank 166 #
10 gal propane 45 #
CCC 1034 #

Dick