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05-13-2023, 10:44 AM
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I think that there may be some basic misunderstanding here.
The trailer brakes are not operated by the trailer battery. They are operated by the blue wire coming from the brake controller, through the 7-pin connector. The only time that the trailer battery is used for the brakes is if the emergency brake cable is pulled out (usually because of a runaway trailer).
"IF" a person were so inclined to use a Bluetti or similar devise to run the AC and DC power on the camper, it would only require that the person turn off the breaker to the converter, or install a converter shut-off switch. Just plug the trailer's 30A cable directly into your Bluetti.
As far as the tongue battery is concerned, it only needs to be one of these (link below). It does not have to be constantly maintained. These batteries are used in emergency lighting systems all over the world and sometimes only charged ever 6-months or so, just to be sure that they are operational. On a trailer, just wire the emergency brake switch to the tongue battery (nothing else). The battery could be charged before each trip and be good for months. They don't lose charge like wet cell, lead-acid batteries do.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QPYFBW6...NsaWNrPXRydWU=
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05-13-2023, 11:50 AM
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The trailer brakes would still be controlled by the seven pin coming from the tow vehicle.
The small battery is only in case of breakaway.
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05-13-2023, 12:49 PM
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What size/version of Jackery are you looking at? Portable power options have come a long ways recently and I can see why someone would want to swap over to these options. Some can be linked/daisy chained in some fashion to give you lots of power. In looking at Amazon, some manufacturers/versions seem to be having support problems. My only thoughts are on research. How long have they been in business.
How good is their support system.
Can the internal battery side be replaced, verse having to try and recycle the whole unit?
Lastly how much does it weigh? You mentioned reducing weight. Is it too much weight on the front or back end of the TM?
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05-13-2023, 02:02 PM
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I think I have sketched out what you describe. Here is my problem. You said
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1a. I do have a battery tender that I use with my current lead acid batteries. That I would hook up in between trips to the trailer brake battery and hook up the trailer brake battery to the 7 pin to charge it while towing.
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The 7-pin is always connected to the TM main battery, or it wont charge the main battery. If you hook up the trailer brake battery to the 7-pin while towing, then you are connecting the trailer brake battery to the TM main battery.
Or am I still not getting it. If I'm not getting it, a sketch from you would help.
Biii
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05-13-2023, 04:19 PM
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Sketch of what I am thinking
Thanks for the sketch suggestion Sorry for all the notes in the sketch.
But here goes.
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05-13-2023, 05:33 PM
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Let us know how it works out.
Bill
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05-13-2023, 05:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rich2468
I see a number of shortcomings:
1st As Shane called out, it needs a secure connection to supply 12 volt DC for the trailer brakes under tow. (There's no compromise on that fact)
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Actually Rich, there is a simple compromise. See post #11.
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05-13-2023, 11:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavery
Actually Rich, there is a simple compromise. See post #11.
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Wavery, I'd call that "right-sizing" [emoji3], not a compromise.
There's certainly no need to carry around 70 lbs of lead acid battery if that small battery will handle the break away power needs....but the rest of the camper is still going to need power and I just don't see the economics of using a Bluetti/ Jackery device making sense for most.
I'll be happy to see how Sienna (Steve and Penny) make it work for them. It's always great seeing other's solutions to making their TrailManor work best for them.
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05-13-2023, 11:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rich2468
Wavery, I'd call that "right-sizing" [emoji3], not a compromise.
There's certainly no need to carry around 70 lbs of lead acid battery if that small battery will handle the break away power needs....but the rest of the camper is still going to need power and I just don't see the economics of using a Bluetti/ Jackery device making sense for most.
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Oh! Don't get me wrong. I don't see the economics working out "for me" either....UNLESS..... the user has an additional use for the Bluetti/Jackery or whatever.
The OP indicated that he has one anyway and just wanted to know if it is feasible to use it as his primary battery.... The answer is "Yes" it can be done. If you have one anyway, use it to it's full potential. Those things are expensive so why not put it to work.
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05-13-2023, 11:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill
I think I have sketched out what you describe. Here is my problem. You said
"The 7-pin is always connected to the TM main battery, or it wont charge the main battery. If you hook up the trailer brake battery to the 7-pin while towing, then you are connecting the trailer brake battery to the TM main battery."
Or am I still not getting it. If I'm not getting it, a sketch from you would help.
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Actually Bill, the small battery on the tongue (used for emergency brakes only) seldom needs charging and if the hot lead from the 7-pin connecter were hooked up to that small battery, the battery would overheat in a short time. Those batteries are normally charged with a regulated 14v 1.5A charger/maintainer.
I use one of those batteries to operate my dual electric driveway gates. It's charged via a 20W solar panel with a 5A solar controller. The gate is used several times a day and I change that battery about every 4-5 years.
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