eco Diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee 20.8 MPG at 55MPH

[Padgett]

Since the value of my '12 is a bit less than $2k less than when I bought it that would be hard to top. The issue with the GC is that the diesel is not avaliable on the lower lines in this country yet so you have to add a few high depreciation options to get it.

A Ram with a supercab would be the most efficient way to get the ecto-diesel but I have never had a pick-em-up truck & like my 50-50 weight distro.. For long items I can fold both the rear and the passenger seat down.

[Redtail Cruiser]

Originally Posted by Padgett

Since the value of my '12 is a bit less than $2k less than when I bought it that would be hard to top. The issue with the GC is that the diesel is not avaliable on the lower lines in this country yet so you have to add a few high depreciation options to get it..

Car values are a very subjective thing. A lot of wiggle room with interpretation.

[Padgett]

Agree, why TrueCar is very handy for buying a new car/truck and NADA is usually pretty good or a bit low about current real values.

Key is to buy right in the first place and in my case with the right timing & rebates I was able to buy a new GC with the V6 and towing package and 15 miles for just a few hundred than a 2011 with 10K miles. Then GCs became popular so the plant added more workers.

ps Have been towing with 6s since a '92 MiniVan replaced a V-8 stationwagon. My RV had a BMW turbo diesel and they are really nice but expensive in Florida & VVTi&e requires DOHC (or some really creative clockwork).

pps with direct injection & boost you can get close to diesel efficiency with 87 PON. That may be the next big thing.

[mecicon]

Originally Posted by Padgett

pps with direct injection & boost you can get close to diesel efficiency with 87 PON. That may be the next big thing.

The next big thing will be Hydrogen: Honda Clarity, Kia Muira even Toyota has a hydrogen model. The former remnants of the Big Three all have hydrogen powered models in the works.

If you want to eliminate carbon emissions you have to get cars (electric) off the grid and a hybrid is just a carbon-producing-small-gas-motor charging batteries.

Cars will be hydrogen, trucks will be diesel and soon only BMW, Ferrari, MB etc will be gas powered and even they will have a KERS like the F1 cars had this year.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by mecicon

... a hybrid is just a carbon-producing-small-gas-motor charging batteries.

Agreed. Many folks don't realize that.

Cars will be hydrogen

Of course, you have to ask where the hydrogen will come from, since all sources are energy-intensive. People say "We'll use solar and wind generators!", and in many ways it's not a bad solution except that it displaces solar and wind power from other uses. If carbon-fueled sources are used to make up the shortfall, little has been gained.

Bill

[mecicon]

Originally Posted by Bill

Agreed. Many folks don't realize that.

Of course, you have to ask where the hydrogen will come from, since all sources are energy-intensive. People say "We'll use solar and wind generators!", and in many ways it's not a bad solution except that it displaces solar and wind power from other uses. If carbon-fueled sources are used to make up the shortfall, little has been gained.

Bill

You are correct, so let's go with methane.

If Nat Gas is utilized your carbon emissions are similar to hybrid vehicles.

http://qz.com/186432/why-hydrogen-po...on-musk-crazy/

Hydrogen is the most abundant element on the planet even though there are only 13 hydrogen fuel stations. So far.